The difference could also be shaft dia. I can unsubscribe anytime to withdraw my consent. Bolted on back cover. The introduction of pauses or lapses in the coolant (usually air) can temporarily break and overheat that mechanical seal, which can then cause other problems. ACDelco 12681185 251-744 - $227.99 at Summit. Available today. 4th Gen High Performance and Accessories 2010 and Up, 4th Gen Engine and Drivetrain-2010 and Up, 3rd Gen High Performance and Accessories (5.9L Only), 3rd Gen High Performance and Accessories (6.7L Only), 3rd Gen Engine and Drivetrain -> 2003-2007, 3rd Gen Engine and Drivetrain -> 2007 and up, 3rd Generation Ram - Non Drivetrain - All Years, Natl. The part number is 42004. 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OH , and as an aside and info pertaining to Oliver's question - the newer style cummins pumps are made in USA, check out Geno's and their pics to confirm: I did not know about the flow difference in the shrouded and unshrouded versions.good to know! For this reason, when refilling the cooling circuit after replacement of the pump, many shop manuals recommend the pump be hand-rotated until its full. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. Well, it's been a few days with no responses, so I guess there aren't many who are familiar with them. The area it's supposed to seal against isn't perfectly smooth due to some voids in the block casting. It was $17 more than what Summit lists it for, but it's in stock. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here, Modified Grand Cherokee Tech. Anything prior to 1994 should go in here. General discussion on the Ford 1997 - 2003 F150 truck. The coolant was leaking from the o-ring seal. The drive belt for the water pump can be either the timing belt/chain for the vehicle or a serpentine/accessory belt. An improper seating, damaged seal, or misaligned gasket can mean the water pump is not operating efficiently or, worse, is under undue stress from misalignment. Sometimes it's the difference in the impeller construction. GMB North America 130-7290 - $123.99 at Summit. Cookie Policy - Not wanting to pay 150 bucks for an indian made cummins pump with a low flow un-shrouded 5 blade impeller this time around! Good for warranty exchange. It turns out that the pump(s) installed were *not* Motorcraft, but aftermarket, brand unknown. I searched the forum and the consensus it to get the ACDelco expensive option that is basically an exact new factory replacement. There are no better hoses than authentic GM hoses. Water pumps are generally reliable and hearty components in a cars engine. Come discuss mods, horsepower, engine specs and more! Reproduction ORVIS XJ package exterior decals | Interest wanted, Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1, The following errors occurred with your submission, Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. I'm sure both would workbut you don't need "high temp"; that is for exhaust parts. Contact Us - I put a Duralast unit in mine. The pump itself appears to be fine. Failing to do so can result in seal problems. Thanks, guys. Airtex AW5081 - $88.79 at Rockauto. If it is a Motorcraft pump, it will either have the Ford logo, or FoMoCo cast into the body. I blew through several high volume "HD" pumps on my small block Ford including two Stewart pumps. JavaScript is disabled. Murray CP5081 - $154.99 at O'reilly. Contact Us - I decided I didn't trust the new "heavy duty" pump prior to putting it on the new motor, so I opened it up to coat both sides of the very flimsy looking gasket with sealant. May just go with the HD pump. Pretty sure I spent 200 on mine. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Actually it's maybe a good value to purchase/investigate at least a premium product for a C4 water pump. Also to note, I can get the cheap ACDelco from Amazon for $90 shipped and I'll have it tomorrow. I've had luck with Gates as an aftermarket pump. Pump start up might see a brief current spike. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, https://www.ls1gto.com/threads/i-smell-it-where-to-look-for-small-coolant-leak.846120/#post-21718209. Pretty sure you can get if off of Amazon but the price may have gone up due to the virus going around. Never had a problem after. What would be the closest in terms of quality and longevity? Terms of Service - Getting a new AC/Delco gasket from the dealer, clean/remove the gasket on there and coat the new gasket both sides with the Permatex Super High Tack Gasket Sealant. Since you failed to post where it's leaking, hard saying what's at fault. Bolted on back cover. "1LE" GTO in progress Two gallons of coolant and two gallons of distilled water. Even though it *should* still be under warranty, I'm considering cutting my losses, and just doing the replacement myself. Should have done that with the corvette and didn't so this time around I'll be going with Mezeire wp. Faulty seals are the most common reason for failure. Dry Rotation of the Pump Manage Preferences - Unfortunately I cannot find anyone that has one in stock. According to reviews this does not last long. Available today. Abrasive particles and engine oils are the most common contaminants that wreak havoc in a water pump. Actually I had thought about doing that. Not spending over 150 for a dam water pump. Bad Coolant The wrong coolant, which can happen, and bad coolant, which is more common, can cause issues for the water pump. 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Privacy Statement - Improper Belt Components All ZJ,WJ & WK aftermarket tech goes here. Stock Grand Cherokee Tech. I went with a Gates water pump on my 98 maybe a year and a half ago and have had no issues since then. As that is made for sealing paper gaskets, etc. Also the stock one lasted 17 years, hopefully I'll get the same life out of this one as well. I agree to receive emails from the site. When I opened up the pump, I noticed the vanes were not visible and instead a circular enclosure with vanes. I don't think the HD water pump on this has anything to do with the size of the pulley since you reuse the factory pulley. Advertising - When coolant flows through the water pump without air bubbles or breaks, this mechanical seal remains intact. I put a new Motorcraft in the 98 in 2008. I have one of their thermostats in mine from a recent replacement. Meziere is a good choice unless you are road racing. It's sometimes debated which is more efficient but vane quantity and/or size is often an advertising point of the manufacturer. 3. Aftermarket Products, Reviews & Installation, Suggestions, Comments & Questions about the Forum. I doubt it flows more water if the pulley diameter remains the same. It is listed on backorder till 3/4/2022. Looking at basic water pumps at Autozone for L98. If you're just street driving, basic Chevy water pumps are as rock solid as the oiling systems came from the factory. What should I get? Cookie Policy - Stewart did right by me and changed the pump design after I killed two of their HD pumps, and gave me one with an improved cast impeller and bearings. Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans. Don't the later cummins water pumps turn the opposite way? I think meziere says their pumps use 10-11 amps when running. A misaligned belt that isnt fully engaging the water pumps pulley is another concern, as it can put undue pressure on the pulley and shaft. When a seal from a tube is recommended, properly applying and allowing for enough drying time are best practices. .750 vs .625. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. This includes engine, drivetrain and non-drivetrain discussions. The mechanical seal within the water pump is created by the steady flow of fluid within the pump itself. Here are four common mistakes that even a pro can make installing a water pump. Advertising - I would suggest going with an AC-Delco Professional Grade pump. They don't make those anymore. That's not horrible if it turns out to be the correct casting. Adding to the mess is the fact that the service manager I worked with is now gone. Terms of Service - Weep hole, it's the pump. Edelbrock 8896 - $434.95 at Summit. I've done a lot of searching since posting this. 2022 Supplier Excellence Award, Mentoring Takes the Mystery Out of Advisory Councils, ADAS Market Projected to Reach $57.90 Billion by 2030, J.D. NTSB recommends "Black boxes" for all vehicles made in the USA!. Cookie Policy - Available today. Bolted on back cover. Water pumps are generally reliable, at least compared to the good old days. On a modern engine, its not at all uncommon for a water pump to last longer than the vehicle. There's many choices, compare the AZ product to theirs? Other Vehicles. Year: 1998 Classic (I'll get it running soon.) and 02 Grand. I think I'll go with the Permatex High Tack Spray-A-Gasket Sealant to spray on both sides of the water pump gaskets. I just found the expensive ACDelco on eBay and bought it. and Regional Chapters / Special Events, Dodge Cummins Water Pump Comparison- Tech Info - Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum. It seems that for every person who recommends "X" brand, there's someone who's had problems with them. Also it seems I've read the HD pump flows more than the standard version. A lot of their stuff is junk but not everything. Submit your company's info for the top suppliers list! O'Reilly's Murray pumps seem to have the most positive (fewest negative?) As others have noted, impeller construction is very important for pump design. Pressed on back cover. Terms of Service - I've had a Murray in mine for several years now, zero issues. Parts quality across the board of ANY brand has been a complete wash for several years now . Terms of Service - Available today. I figure if it lasts 2-3 years, I'll swap it out with the rest of the components on that coolant service. Location: Lacey WA RVN 68-69. If a water pump fails before it should, remember to check for these installation errors when trying to locate the origin of the problem. Pressed on back cover. Stamped steel or a cast impeller. What style was stock, and I'm guessing it's better to go with the Heavy Duty version? Archive - LS1GTO.com is a forum community dedicated to the LS1 Pontiac GTO. Discussion for all Dodge Rams prior to 1994. The ones that are available locally are $155 and are easier for warranty exchange. Available today. This charge of the circuit can reduce the chance of a mechanical seal loss. Bad Seals FWIW I got 2 different bad out of the box Murray water pumps from oreillys last week. Requires I purchase pulley 8898 for an additional $133.95. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. The thinking is that its cheaper and safer to replace a water pump than to let it fail, especially if removing and replacing a water pump can be done for only an incremental cost. Manage Preferences - This should be the identical OEM replacement. Bringing this back up: Needing a water pump for my 1993 engine that is streaming coolant out of the weep hole. I've smoothed it out with 220/400/600 sandpaper, and will replace the o-ring. Most people seem to swear by the MC pump, and frankly, I'm surprised by the failures. Bolted on back cover. Still, despite their reliability, its often a good idea to replace a water pump during the course of normal maintenance. Available today. Also it seems I've read the HD pump flows more than the standard version. Contact Us - During the course of water pump replacement, its possible for even the most experienced tech to make a mistake that will lead to premature pump failure. Tuff Stuff 1310C - $268.99 at Summit. I just put a Motorcraft pump in my Escape, and here's a pic. you can see FoMoCo in this casting. I've got GM upper and lower hoses on now that I'll reuse as I put them on a few years ago to replace the original factory GM hoses. Available today. Re-using old seals or making due with the wrong seal is another common problem. It will cost more, but I would rather use AC Delco products. Duralast EWP-9189 - $154.99 at Autozone. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. Archive - The dealership provided me with a new O'Reilly (Murray) unit and a gallon of coolant this afternoon. Never had a problem, did the work myself tho. Gasket, it's usually the install. The chances are that either one of those AZ pumps are made in China and I would question the overall quality. Notice they have a standard New pump and a Heavy Duty NEW aluminum water pump. Gates 45002 - $79.79 at Rockauto. Other Jeep models & cars and trucks of other makes, https://www.quadratec.com/products/71212_100.htm, Send a private message to Password12345678. Available today locally. If excess sealant is applied to the gasket and it flows into the coolant system and the pumps shaft seal, it can cause seal failure in a matter of miles. My brief search has come up with the following options: I'll be going with an electric water pump. Maybe. Privacy Statement - The following errors occurred with your submission, CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion, L98 Corvette and LT1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, In loving memory of lost CorvetteForum Brothers and Sisters, http://www.acdelco.com/auto-parts/water-pumps.html. Good for warranty exchange. Probably will use Permatex High Temp or High Performance thread sealant for the bolt threads and heater hose pipe. A word of caution from personal experience. Read our Privacy Policy for more info. FlowKooler 1670 - $209.99 at Summit. I bought a $30 duralast one from Autozone over a year ago (Knock on wood) truck still drives like a beast. Anybody have a coupon code for O'Reilly or Autozone they could share? Every time there is a warranty exchange I'm out $30 in coolant, water and gaskets. Guessing maybe it has better bearings too. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. All ZJ/WJ/WK Non-modified/stock questions go here! It's $50 brand new and aluminum. Seems fine. Tendeco's John Lussier Sits Down with AMN Drivetime [VIDEO], Auto Pros Visit Str Automotive, Mooresville, NC, Driven Brands Acquires Tennessee-Based Jack Morris Auto Glass, Pepper Wilson Joins AASA as Marketing Manager, Chery Establishes New Connected Vehicle Research Institute, Alfa e-Parts Announces Pressure Sensor Release, Navistar Awards T/CCI Mfg. So my water pump went out and I was looking around at Orilieys and found a Murray water pump. Bolted on back cover. Contaminated coolant or coolant with improper chemistry can cause seal failures, corrosion, and more. About Us - Also they want new cheap pump money for them, $75+ and shipping charges on top of that. I probably only have 5K miles on it though. I think mine has given up the ghost. Now, I was *told* that's what these have been, but have no verifiable proof. Dayco DP1317 - $95.79 at Rockauto. Privacy Statement - Cookie Policy - 2005 PBM M6- Kooks headers, FAST102, BC coilovers, CTS-V brakes. Improper installation will likely also cause immediate leakage from the mounting surface. Advertising - The crazy thing is that these re-boxed parts sold at auto parts stores are all "keystone" meaning marked up - DOUBLE the wholesale price seemingly! So what is the difference between the two 5.9 pumps and the two 6.7 pumps? If either is installed incorrectly or if other components driven by the belt seize or have rotational problems, this can affect water pump performance and eventually lead to failure. This appears to have the bolted on back cover. My philosophy would be, if you can't get an OEM level AC Delco get the cheapest one with the best warranty. Many times, the installer will use the manufacturer recommended O-ring or seal, then supplement with a gasket set or sealing paste when its not called for. I'm taking all suggestions into consideration, though. It is listed on backorder till 12/20/2021. Archive - So now I'm back at the drawing board. Real quality partMark, The following errors occurred with your submission, Dodge Diesel - Diesel Truck Resource Forums, 1st and 2nd Generation Ram - Years 1989-2002. I bought one of the non-shrouded ones from Rock Auto, I can't remember which, but it actually interfaced with the metal inside when it was tightened down and wouldn't turn. A water pump replacement isn't a bad job, so maybe the cost of the bet isn't too high for a roll of the dice. Not having much luck on finding a second hand pump, given that most of these are going to be at least 15 years old, I'm not sure I want to go that route. 4. Advertising - 2022 Elrond-mobile Model Y Performance, 2010 Ram TRX. My old stock water pump had visible vanes. 1. ac delco off ebay, My last ebay one lasted years and Id do it again. Which doesn't count AC/Delco hoses as those are just aftermarket. Bolted on back cover. I'm using the pressed on cover AC Delco without issues. Stamped metal impellers can fail at high RPM in high volume applications. Contact Us - 2006 M6 GTO: John Doe's old ride. From my research - they're all listed as counter-clockwise rotation, and have the same bolt pattern/spacing, and same diameter pulley. During coolant flushes, completely draining and using the correct fluid as replacement are paramount.
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