Mryistamine is MUCH better then Ammonyx. So even sodium hydroxide or sodium hypochlorite contractors may say they are soft or low-pressure washers. Thanks so much Joe, appreciate your business very much. Biocide was benzalkonium chloride which is also a carionic surfactant which I did not know because its main purpose is being a biocide! })(window, document, 'Robly'); by Linda Chambers,Brand and Sales Manager forSoap Warehouse, www.SoapWarehouse.biz. Appreciate the review, Andrew Green At Doug Ruckers Pressure Cleaning School, we teach you how to start and operate a pressure washing business. Plus, it is cheap, and readily availiable, when you need it! Original Scent Green Liquid Gain Dishwashing Soap works, it works very well, and will not eat your mix up. It is also the product of choice for cleaning wood shake roofs and is where the process was expanded to now include asphalt shingle roofs. The masking was good but I will add a little more next roof. I like the smell of gain, I just think Pinalen masks the smell better. Others say soft wash is in fact no water rinsing at all. Think of the common active ingredients, the raw chemicals included in commercial blended products we use, SH, sodium hydroxide, oxalic, hydrochloride, hydrofluoric (less so), common surfavtants. The most popular chemical used today by roof cleaners is still bleach or sodium hypochlorite. Doug Rucker Manages Clever Sprayer chemical dosing easily. Heres the other thread that really got me thinking: http://roofcleaninginstitute.org/topic/134-ammonyx-lo-and-now-gain-mixed-together-for-me/?page=1. The Gain makes Ammonyx obsoete, because it is a lot less money, and works and smells better. If used in high concentrations and left to sit on any type of asphalt it can loosen or dissolve the bond of the shingle and granules since sodium hydroxide will break down petroleum-based products like asphalt. We recommend the use of a garden sprayer for dry powder to mix and spray on the plants. (verified owner) June 10, 2021. One pint-sized bottle is all you need to create a 50 to 70 gallon batch. Sticks on nice,and rinses off easily. The soap also lubrictes your pumps, not a bad thing. Everyone knows how to label a SH container, how to manage a spill, that you add SH to water and not the other way round etc etc. The result is an economical and powerful surfactant for your house- and roof-mix that is also environmentally safe! I care about grip, plain and simple. Gain is a Chlorine Stable Surfactant MIXTURE, thus it will thicken up your mix better then Lauramine (Ammonyx) alone! My short opinion on chems is this, eg SH everyone knows how to safely handle SH and produce a 1,2 or 3% soloution. For reasons unknown to me, she stopped calling it Apple Butter, and renamed it Gription. [CDATA[ _atrk_opts = { atrk_acct:"21h8h1awA400WN", domain:"ecleanmag.com",dynamic: true}; (function() { var as = document.createElement('script'); as.type = 'text/javascript'; as.async = true; as.src = "https://d31qbv1cthcecs.cloudfront.net/atrk.js"; var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0];s.parentNode.insertBefore(as, s); })(); // ]]> (function(i,s,o,g,r,a,m){i['GoogleAnalyticsObject']=r;i[r]=i[r]||function(){ The more you add, the thicker the mix will get, and the more the chlorine smell is replaced with the smell of the Liquid Gain. RCIAs Chris Tucker Answers the Question. It coats the leaves with a buffering agent; 4. And, it gets even better (and worse for sellers of Ammonyx), because Gain also has a very strong Masking Agent in it as well! (verified owner) October 12, 2021. However, it will not have the smell masking capabiliies that Gain does. Yes, but you avoided the middle man and saved money. I will use both this coming season, it is nice to have options. It is not my intent to hurt any distributor selling Ammonyx (Lauramine), though some of you, for reasons only YOU know, chose NOT to give ANY credit to me, or the RCIA Guys, for our discoveries we acheived through hard work, personal financial outlays, and chasing many many dead ends, until we found what some of you now sell, and profit from, as IF it is your "Own".. Well, guess what, the freaking Party is OVER. Great on roofs and siding! It adds back vital nutrients at the base of the plants, helping beneficial bacteria repopulate the soil. Now back to sodium hypochlorite. It, like oil, is a limited resource that creates waste tailings that can be harmful to the environment. I use it in every tank now! Control your application rate. ProTool Post Rinse is protects plants as well: 2. We're sorry, we are unable to accept Mastercard's that start with the new 2 prefix at the beginning of your card number. We've encountered an error. Yes, by all means mix some roof snot and Gain together! Your email address will not be published. Liquid fertilizes the plant through their leaves; 3. If you are buying drums of Ammonyx LO, then simply ask for Ammonyx M, it is a brand name for Myristamine.It is 4 times as thick, meaning you can use a lot less. We look forward to fulfilling your order for you. Could you please try another card or if you would like to still use your Mastercard, we can accept it through PayPal instead. If you are buying drums of Ammonyx LO, then simply ask for Ammonyx M, it is a brand name for Myristamine. Then, we put 4 of the 44 ounce bottles in 100 gallons of mixed chlorine and water on a Friday afternoon, and took the weekend off. Im not trying to save money or avoid the middle man so much as I am trying to cut down on run off. I found Myristamine Oxide, sold under the name Ammonyx M. Lori from Pressure Washer Products (PWP) here in Florida was told of our research, saw the great marketing opportunity to sell it to roof cleaners, and jumped all over it. It is nice it is at all the stores like buying everything local. And this phrase can mean more than one thing. This system is not without some problems and new nay sayers of its use like to bring these up. How much Pinalen did use use with how much roof snott? It should keep getting thicker, until a point is reached where it will thin out again. Appreciate you taking the time to leave your comments. Surfactants are surface acting agents that work by reducing the surface tension of water, which helps it spread out more evenly. It is chlorine stable, so feel free to play with the amount of Gain you add to your mix. Instead, its just a spray on then let nature takes it course by allowing air moisture and rain to do the rinsing. })(window,document,'script','//www.google-analytics.com/analytics.js','ga');
Adjust accordingly to your liking. var _d_site = _d_site || '5380dbc83174efe3f7c37576d917853b'; Today you hear the words Soft Wash used a lot. Not true! Without extra staying power, you have to continuously rinse with bleach and water in order to provide dwell time, which wastes time, water, and bleach, and puts you at greater risk of killing any surrounding plants or grass. Lori was soon copied by some distributors I also told about the RCIA Research into Chlorine stable surfactants, and the Discoveries we made. Plus, drums can be a PITA to pump the soap out of at times. Though Non RCIA Members can't see it (Yes, we hide the good stuff), I posted a Surfactant Viscosity Chart that clearly shows HOW to use Chlorine Stable Surfactantstogether,to get a thicker final product! Give me a few more days and Ill post links, etc to what I find. That's where odor maskers can help. SH was not permitted on this job. This is my goto for house wash and roof cleaning soap. Some years ago, myself and several other roof cleaners pioneered Chlorine Stable Surfactants, and introduced them to the roof cleaning world, by telling several distributors about them. Smells terrific! If handled properly, it will not. Lol, at least your chosen name would suggest that. 5560 - 6080: 96 h Lepomismacrochirus mg/L LC50flow-through 12946: 96 hLepomis macrochirus mg/LLC50 static 6020 - 7070: 96h Pimephales promelas mg/LLC50 static 7050: 96 hPimephales promelas mg/LLC50 semi-static 6420 -6700: 96 h Pimephalespromelas mg/L LC50 static4747 - 7824: 96 hOncorhynchus mykiss mg/LLC50 flow-through, 1000: 48 h Daphnia magnamg/L EC50 340.7 - 469.2: 48h Daphnia magna mg/LEC50 Static, 1.0 - 10.0: 72 hDesmodesmus subspicatusmg/L EC50 0.55: 96 hDesmodesmus subspicatusmg/L EC50, 1.0 - 10.0: 96 h Brachydaniorerio mg/L LC50 2: 96 hBrachydanio rerio mg/LLC50 semi-static, 2022 - Power Wash Store Inc. - W147 N9415 Held Dr. Menomonee Falls WI 53051-1640 USA, 115v up to 7GPM@70PSI Complete Soft Wash Skid w/ Pro-Portioner #5455BS, Dragon Grip - 5 Gallon - Roof/House Surfactant, ProPortioner Chemical Metering System #5409, Water Dragon - Hot Water Skid 5.5@3500 #WD5535VSS. Its ideal for use in schools, nursing homes, hotels, public areas, loading docks, dumpster pads, bathrooms, or anywhere odors are a problem. At the end of the day we rinse out the leftovers of the empty Dawn/Gain bottles into a five gallon bucket. If you mix an anionionic surfactant with a cationic surfactant (basically a +charge with a -charge) they will swap ions to balance the charge and polymerise into a semi solid goop that can glue your pump shut. We use it everyday now, no excuse not to! Your email address will not be published. When it comes to surfactants, you want them to stick, and nothing out there sticks better than our ProTool Sticky Super Conentrate. Leaves a fresh scentand a little money in your pocket! This is one of the best surfanctant that I have used. eClean Survey: Tell Us What You Want to See in 2013, The New PWRA, Practical Help for the Individual Contractor, StoreFrontStrong.org: How Your Cleaning Business Can Help Americas Recovering Small Businesses, COVID-19 and Your Cleaning Insurance: Some Things Cleaning Professionals Need to Know, Why Pressure Washing Flat Surfaces Is an Essential Service. As for the surfactant properties, it worked great but next time I think I will go with 66 oz's per tank. I put one bottle in for 50 gallon mix. But if used at proper dilutions, plants treated by pre- and post- rinsing and complete rinsing of the solution from the roof at the time of cleaning, then these issues are just scare tactics used against contractors that use sodium hypochlorite. Now, I am sharing my latest discovery, Ultra Gain Green Original Scent Liquid Dishsoap with every roof cleaner. On Monday, we cleaned a couple shingle roofs with THAT mix. However, smart soft washing professionals know that to efficiently and safely soft wash roofs, siding, and other surfaces, additional products are needed. Does anyone else have any good tricks for tweaking their surfactant? Great product Ill definitely be buying more in the future! Lastly, I like the clean smell it leaves behind. Subtotal doesn't include shipping or tax. It does seem to mask the Chlorine smell somewhat. Plant Wash was designed to reduce the damage to plants associated with caustic cleaners like sodium hypochlorite and sodium hydroxide. Thanks Michael, I used it the other day to wash my truck, and it dried virtually spotless. Roof Cleaning Southern NH and Northern Mass. Why, because it performs perfectly. The problem with sodium hydroxide is that if it is not completely removed from the surface even after it has dried it can be activated again and, once wet, continues its normal chemical reaction on petroleum based products. Thanks for the feedback, and glad u like it. (verified owner) August 5, 2021. The roof got cleaned but the remaining 200l of solution in my pressure washer buffer tank polymerised into sticky icky goop. All pressure washing services in between! But even sodium percarbonate is mined from the ground as Trona, and has chemical treatments to purify it. // It was still real soapy, and cleaned great. No doubt I will stop buying $75 per gallon Green Apple for scent masking because this stuff knocks down the chlorine scent dramaticly. That still doesnt necessarily people enjoy the smell. Pours out of the container like a thinned out paste and, mixed 1 oz per gallon of roof mix, sticks like gluehardly any runoff on a 12/12 pitch!!! We buy it at Family Dollar Store, they have 44 oz Original scent NON Antibacterial Liquid Gain Dishwashing Soap for 3 dollars a bottle! Chris, Saturday I tried two of the 44 oz. (Im gonna try 24 oz with 104 oz RS next week and see how that does). When is the best time to post on Facebook cleaning business pages? Here it ishttp://www.ilovegain.com/gain_original_scent_dishwashing_liquid.do. Monday-Friday 9-12, and 1-3pm, Fridays 9-12. Adjust accordingly to your liking. I also told Lori about the RCIA research into masking the smell of the Chlorine based roof cleaning mix we all use, and even told her what it was, and where to get it. When professionals think of soft washing roofs and siding, the top cleaning chemical used is a professional-grade 12.5% sodium hypochlorite, or bleach, mixed with water. No testing on the separation of the mix because I need to finish off a jar of pickles (experiment material). According to Hubspot, it makes a difference! Great info Chris, I am sitting on my drum of roof snot, but I wish I had known about the GAIN earlier. And it is not to say that sodium hydroxide products cannot be used to clean many types of roofing materials. In fact, it is going to put the big Smackdown on resellers of Lauramine based (Ammonyx) Surfactants. Billy Jensen, of H2o Pressure Washing in New Port Richey Florida found Lauramine Oxide, that is sold under the trade name Ammonyx LO. Try it, if for some reason you dont like this low price soap, ship back the unused portion at your expense and Ill refund your money less our 20% re-stocking fee. Check before mixing surfactants that they are compatible. Now, I am sharing my latest discovery, Ultra Gain Green Original Scent Liquid Dishsoap with every roof cleaner. Thanks so much Ricky, so glad you are liking it. No, it is not QUITE as good as a separate Chlorine Masking agent like the Green Apple fragrance some distributors sell, but if you use enough of the Gain Dishsoap, it is surprisingly effective in covering the Chlorine smell! Using Kings Kling surfactant: Whether you are mixing it directly into your bleach tank or using a surfactant tank and running through the Dougenator, mix at 1 ounce per gallon of bleach or water. No measuring or needing to find a place for a bucke. So today the industry applies other wash systems that can come in various forms. In my haste to save the pump I dropped the chemical on the driveway and later spent 10 hours onclean up removing what had essential turned to a semi-hard plastic oil slick. From up on the Roof cleaning, Gutter cleaning,to down on the Concrete cleaning All pressure washing services in between!, Serving PG, Charles,St Marysand Calvert countyMaryland. Lori was soon copied by some distributors I also told about the RCIA Research into Chlorine stable surfactants, and the Discoveries we made. I am not saying that moving to a supposed more eco-friendly cleaning product is not good for everyone. Wheres that anonymous button gone when Im slinging insults at myself, Too many mean people over at WCRA. I found Myristamine Oxide, sold under the name Ammonyx M. Lori from Pressure Washer Products (PWP) here in Florida was told of our research, saw the great marketing opportunity to sell it to roof cleaners, and jumped all over it. (verified owner) June 9, 2021. Adjust accordingly to your liking. Learn to clean with no surfactant and then anything you add will be a bonus. Like Sticky, Lemony is effective and affordable, requiring just 4 ounces per 50 gallons of softwashing mix. It is also strongly scented. Then we rinse the bucket out, fill it with just water and run the five gallons of just water thru it. +1 on that. Linda Chambers s Brand and Sales Manager for Soap Warehouse, where she has worked since 2007. I had a customer tell me they liked the smell of the roof mix. Brad You can understand the mass, you handle them safely, you dont mix them with an incompatible product, you dont apply them to incompatible surfaces and if you run out of your favourite commercial product, then in a pinch you can rustle up some old school product using chemicals from a hardware store Visit the companys website at SoapWarehouse.biz. Actually I got the idea from a very old roof cleaning thread on a different forumbest I can tell the chemical (lauramine sulfate, I think) works WITH, and heightens the chemicals that cause the Roof Snot to thickennot so much a reaction as adding a more concentrated version of the same thing. When I F up at least I get to learn the lesson. Eventually, I also shared that information with a few other distributors. (function(w, d, p, s, s2) { Goes a long way, offering a low cost per batch. This chit is already in easy to handle bottles, just dump it in, stir, and go! Personally I dislike the guy with a passion, Oh crap. Mryistamine is MUCH better then Ammonyx. If used at high concentrations and left to sit on asphalt shingles, sodium hypochlorite can cause deterioration to them just like bleach does to clothes fibers with repeated washings. The RCIA Forum is a dedicated roof cleaning forum. Gain is an awesome roof cleaning surfactant. (verified owner) October 14, 2021. It is 4 times as thick, meaning you can use a lot less. blended commercially manufactured products almost alway perform their task better (eg, elemonator clings better and smells nicer than dish soap). Add 1 bottle to your 50 to 70 gallon batch mix. This is where the ProTool Post Wash comes to the rescue! We also recommend plan nourishment. Bleach kills organic matter like Gloeocapsa Magma algae, mold, mildew, moss, and lichen, which are the primary types of growth that need to be removed during soft washing. We noticed NO weakening of the mix at all! With many of these products, it is sodium percarbonate that is doing the work. Ill google check later but if it gets thicker they might be incompatible surfactants. I never asked for, nor did I receive, anything for my discovery. Eventually, I also shared that information with a few other distributors. Stays wetter longer and use less SH. Would you like to associate this Facebook account with an existing user? Required fields are marked *. I did this recently applying a biocide to a steep roof. Plant Wash attacks these issues in four ways: 2. When I first started I bought a bucket of AMOX but hated laying out that much at one time. Doug Rucker Survey: How are You Spending Your Slow Season? We thought it knocked down the smell too, but I was more concerned with chlorine compatability. Thanks for the tip! Sorry, I was clicking buttons to fill out a profile a what not and apparently turned myself anonymous. Doug Rucker I feel very confident about suggesting it.ga('create', 'UA-27100114-1', 'auto'); We have been using it everyday, on both tile and shingle roofs, and it rocks! Theoretically, it should have worked, because all it's ingredients are compatable with Chlorine, unlike any other liquid dishwashing soap. Happy shopping! And, it gets even better (and worse for sellers of Ammonyx), because Gain also has a very strong Masking Agent in it as well! Doug Rucker I like having the detergent in the mix so when I hit areas that have both stains and dirt, it comes cleaner.We used it on two really steep jobs and the cling was as good as the other things we have used. Its also the perfect amount needed to use with the ProTool Clevers 7-gallon sodium hypochlorite tank. Using KingsKling surfactant: Whether you are mixing it directly into your bleach tank, or using a surfactant tank and running a mixing valve, mix at 1 ounce per gallon of bleach or water. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RNlN3R7CqI. Thanks so much for the review Jesse and I appreciate your business. Bleach also does not remove dirt and grime. Some years ago, myself and several other roof cleaners pioneered Chlorine Stable Surfactants, and introduced them to the roof cleaning world, by telling several distributors about them. JavaScript is required for full site functionality. Using water to rinse the plants is an important part of the Softwashing process. e teach you how to start and operate a pressure washing business. Remember, Gain HAS Ammonyx (Lauramine) IN it! But, we never rely on Theory, w/o actual on the roof testing. I hope you had a great cleaning season. Over the last 30 years or so manufactures have been adding more and more additional ingredients to shingle make up to produce a laminated product of specialized papers, fiberglass, and organic materials such as limestone, with only a small amount of asphalt to even be left in the single of today. This is where a surfactant comes into play. I was thinking about mixing some gain and my roof snot, but I'd rather use up all my roof snot and then use the GAIN. Along with thorough rinsing with clean water before, during, and after the cleaning, Plant Wash is used as a final rinse to make absolutely sure every step has been taken to protect the customers landscape. Gain is a Chlorine Stable Surfactant MIXTURE, thus it will thicken up your mix better then Lauramine (Ammonyx) alone! bottles of Ultra Gain Green Original Scent (one per 65 gal. You can use more (or less) then 44 ounces per 100 gallons of mix. There is no money to be made by a distributor re selling it anyway. The RCIA Forum is a dedicated roof cleaning forum. When I emailed to ask WTF happened I was called back by a very frustrated chemist who explained what had happened and apologised for their mess up caused by their sales rep bad advice some would say I used the middle man and lost money. Hello Chet, good to see you back posting again! I explained the job requirements to the chemical manufacturer. The products used are both commercial manufactured products, not DIY combinations of raw ingredients. Thanks so much Chris, so glad you are liking it. I never asked for, nor did I receive, anything for my discovery. As far as the masking the smell it works good, but I find roof snot and pinalen masks the smell a little better. It is not my intent to hurt any distributor selling Ammonyx (Lauramine), though some of you, for reasons only YOU know, chose NOT to give ANY credit to me, or the RCIA Guys, for our discoveries we acheived through hard work, personal financial outlays, and chasing many many dead ends, until we found what some of you now sell, and profit from, as IF it is your "Own"..Well, guess what, the freaking Party is OVER. Thanks so much Andrew, glad you are liking it. I also told Lori about the RCIA research into masking the smell of the Chlorine based roof cleaning mix we all use, and even told her what it was, and where to get it. This is going to be my go to soap from now on. While water can do a lot toward protecting plants and metal fixtures and ornaments during soft washing, your safest best is to neutralize any soft washing runoff that may be left on the plants. I love it with the easy to buy, care and use bottles. What Chemicals Do I Need for Soft Washing? The Cutting Edge Pressure Washing / Chris Stafford Their sales rep recommended two of their products be used together, the biocide and the wetting agent. Because Lori and Pressure Washer Products donated money to help pay our Forum Bills, I decided to sort of keep the masking the smell of Chlorine Research, and where to get it from, to myself. I did not think it fair to the other distributors to tell Lori, and not tell them. Because it is concentrated, you can use less KINGS KLING and still get great results. How SOCIAL Are You? Since you probably dont realize this, @Buzzlightyear is a very much respected member of several forums and this business, and I value and appreciate his input, unlike you and yours. We have a community message board where like-minded people go to discuss topics on this industry, learn new techniques and read about new products. 48 oz of Gain mixed with 80 oz of RS makes some of the thickest stuff you ever saw!
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